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JMLenke
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Post by JMLenke »

you forgot the coffee table tank and the sink tank and the picture frame tank too.
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JMLenke wrote:
ingg wrote:I take it you didn't see the big powerhead attachment on one side, or read that the filtration was in a remote location. It is pumping water up the tubes through the ceiling.

That thing could be pumping 700 gph to a remote 90g fuge full of caulerpa, you know.
If that is the case, awesome, I like the concept but unless you have a steel framed house, wood isnt gonna be able to support that weight without some serious distribution.
I routinely design 10-20,000 pound point loads into wood framed buildings. It isn't that hard to do.

It would take some number crunching, of course, but odds are most places will be able to do it - and virtually any office/commercial structure should be able to with ease.

The largest tank was under 75 gallons I think - and no one thinks twice about placing a 75g tank on their floor. Depending on attachment, the load pattern is not going to be significantly different than a tank stand - ~6 plate connection vs. 18" line of a stand edge in a direct connection. If they are intelligent about it, they can replicate a stand edge by having the metal strut attach to a piece that is sitting back down on the floor...

Like... make a little tiny version of a roof truss. Sit it on the floor... and make that strut pipe attach to the top of the baby truss. Bang, load distributed just as it would be from a stand edge. Better yet, make the truss piece go in two axis, umm, like a christmas tree stand... and now you can distribute in x and y planes. Now we can do load sharing across multiple structural members, too.

See what happens when you tell an engineer it won't work? :)
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ingg wrote:
JMLenke wrote:
ingg wrote:I take it you didn't see the big powerhead attachment on one side, or read that the filtration was in a remote location. It is pumping water up the tubes through the ceiling.

That thing could be pumping 700 gph to a remote 90g fuge full of caulerpa, you know.
If that is the case, awesome, I like the concept but unless you have a steel framed house, wood isnt gonna be able to support that weight without some serious distribution.
I routinely design 10-20,000 pound point loads into wood framed buildings. It isn't that hard to do.

It would take some number crunching, of course, but odds are most places will be able to do it - and virtually any office/commercial structure should be able to with ease.

The largest tank was under 75 gallons I think - and no one thinks twice about placing a 75g tank on their floor. Depending on attachment, the load pattern is not going to be significantly different than a tank stand - ~6 plate connection vs. 18" line of a stand edge in a direct connection. If they are intelligent about it, they can replicate a stand edge by having the metal strut attach to a piece that is sitting back down on the floor...

Like... make a little tiny version of a roof truss. Sit it on the floor... and make that strut pipe attach to the top of the baby truss. Bang, load distributed just as it would be from a stand edge. Better yet, make the truss piece go in two axis, umm, like a christmas tree stand... and now you can distribute in x and y planes. Now we can do load sharing across multiple structural members, too.

See what happens when you tell an engineer it won't work? :)
I never said it wouldnt work, I just said that it would take some work to make it err work.

Along your lines of think.

Polycarbonate cylinders (non hollow) top and bottom with a strut/x brace behind the drywall would make for an incredible display. Hell you could in theory use the top or bottom tubes as intake and return to a pump system above assuming that you used say 1" tubes with a 1/2" tunnel through the pipe.

never get a person who should be an engineer but didnt go to school to be one thinking about stuff like this either.

I am already looking at how to do a water change system via tubing or pvc pipe in existing drywall around doorways in the new condo.
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Post by RTRJR »

"Organic filtration" needs a lot of clarification. Live rock is organic, but so is a simple biofilter or a seagrass bed or an algae filter.

Ditto for current.

Shall we ponder glass (plastic?) cleaning? No thank you, not in my repertory.
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Post by Rick Dotson »

It doesn't make any difference. With the kind of money needed to buy this set up they can afford to have a fish person clean the tank everyday!

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