Endlers

DelawareJim · Post by **DelawareJim** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:53 pm

Aaron/Kris et al;

My endlers I got from Aaron have been happily multiplying in their 29 gal home, but I've noticed the green and blue coloring is fading out in the males. They're pretty much reverting to grey/orange with the bar.

Anyone else notice this?

I've been contemplating ordering some new Black Bar's from Adrian at Swamp River or from Bob Bogue to rejuvinate my population and reduce the founders effect.

Cheers.
Jim

Post by **krisw** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:14 pm

I've definitely noticed variations in my males. In particular, I've noticed that some have more/less/no black and white speckles on their fins. Aaron and I have also noticed that some of them have tended to be iridescent blue for some or all of their youth. I think most of them lose this tint in adulthood, but I'm not 100% on that. I also noticed a big difference in the coloring of indoor vs. outdoor kept Endlers. The outdoor ones were much darker in color, while the indoor ones seemed more pale (neither looking sickly, just different). Perhaps that's due to the natural sunlight, or do to the mosquito larvae diet of the outdoor ones?

Introducing new genetic material is never a bad idea, unless you're concerned about keeping them pure to their original pond colorings. I don't know if Aaron knows the original location from which his were collected? If you're not worried about that (and chances are, you're not), then by all means get a few pair, and then bring a few pair to the meetings so we can rejuvenate ours.

DelawareJim · Post by **DelawareJim** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:34 pm

Actually I was hoping to keep them pure; Class N according to the ERU Classification System.

I seem to remember Aaron saying he got his from Adrian at Swamp River, or from someone who's name I've forgotten, who got them from Adrian. (Aaron if you could clarify this).

If indeed they came from Adrian, then they are genetically pure strains from the wild Venezuelan population and are Class N.

Actually, I wouldn't mind finding a source for the "Haskins Line" since they are totally isolated direct decendents of the sample given to Dr. Caryl Haskins by John Endler from his first collecting trip in 1975.

Cheers.
Jim

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:21 pm

I got my original stock from two reputable aquabidders a few years ago. I don't recall their names at the moment. I also got a few 'lyretail' males from AC back then too that had the same coloration, only with a lyretail pattern. You may have noticed this on a few fish.

The green/blue irridecence looks twice as nice on my Endlers outside. I put a bunch outside every summer and they always perk the colors in my stock back up when I introduce them.

I've also had this strange color strain come out as Kris mentioned. I may try to isolate it. The females are more blue than silver/grey and the males are the same blue w/ only the black portion of coloration.

Post by **krisw** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:46 pm

I got my original stock from two reputable aquabidders a few years ago. I don't recall their names at the moment. I also got a few 'lyretail' males from AC back then too that had the same coloration, only with a lyretail pattern.

So, basically, this means that any of us who got fish from you don't have "pure" lines going back to the same collection site, right?

On a side note, does anyone in the club keep wild-caught guppies? The ones at the zoo intrigued me.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:00 pm

krisw wrote:
I got my original stock from two reputable aquabidders a few years ago. I don't recall their names at the moment. I also got a few 'lyretail' males from AC back then too that had the same coloration, only with a lyretail pattern.
So, basically, this means that any of us who got fish from you don't have "pure" lines going back to the same collection site, right?

On a side note, does anyone in the club keep wild-caught guppies? The ones at the zoo intrigued me.

Yes, though they do have genetically diverse 'pure' endlers, they are not a 'pure' strain necessarily.l

DelawareJim · Post by **DelawareJim** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:13 pm

Aaron;

I would be interested in finding out who you had purchased yours from to learn a bit more about the line.

Cheers.
Jim

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:25 pm

I have no idea man. I wish I did. It never occured to me at the time that it would be important. I was just getting started in the hobby then.

Aquabid history only goes back 45 days.

Jeff120 · Post by **Jeff120** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:38 pm

Look at your feedback, if he left it you may be able to figure it out that way

Ghazanfar Ghori · Post by **Ghazanfar Ghori** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:15 am

Check with John Mangan - he should still be around. Livebearer king with
several pure strains of live brearers. If I recall correctly, he had some
pure endlers from a strain - maybe from the original collection.

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